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February 18, 2009

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C. Copeland

You're forgetting two things 1: "liberalism" specifically refers to a free-market system, so a correlation between the modern Democratic Party and socialist politics is feeble at best. The modern Democratic party owes more to the "Populist" end of the spectrum (I'm thinking people like Margaret Sanger here) than the radical socialist end of the spectrum (ie Emma Goldman, Eugene Debbs). Socialism and Populism, at the height of their influence in the US, did not see eye to eye.
and 2: Hitler was NOT a Socialist in the way the term is commonly applied. He said so in his own words:

“Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.”- Adolf Hitler, 1930

The notion that the man who ordered the "Final Solution" would follow the economic theories of a born Jew (which was a GENETIC and not religious designation under the third reich) is utterly ridiculous. Revise your rhetoric.

Woody

"a correlation between the modern Democratic Party and socialist politics is feeble at best"

Okay... Your grip on reality is what's feeble, and to debate you would probably be a waste of time.

Ciao.

C. Censored

"Okay... Your grip on reality is what's feeble, and to debate you would probably be a waste of time."

A sure sign of an inferior intellect. If your ideas held water, you would allow them to be examined. You, sir, are a coward.

As a question: have you ever actually READ "Mein Kampf" or "The Communist Manifesto"? This may be a good place to examine the essential differences between basic Socialist and Nazi ideologies.

Never mind...you probably are also of the equally unassailable opinion that even cracking those volumes would be inviting demonic possession on yourself.

Hope I didn't use too many big words.

Woody

I created this site, I pay for this site, and I welcome comments from visitors but not harassment or counter-blogging in the comment section.

That being said, I do admit deleting your previous comment today was rather dickish of me, so accept my apologies and chalk it up to my having had a rough day at work. This new Obamanomics thing is not going so well for my company and I had to lay some people off. It tends to put you on edge if you genuinely care for the people you employ.

Your initial comment cited one single Hitler quotation and failed to address any of the seven points I quoted from the manifesto he himself penned. Nor did you attempt to refute any of Dr. Ray's conclusions. Thus I felt your comments did not merit a direct rebuttal, since you were going off on a tangent of your own. The fact that Hitler wrote one contradictory sentence in his lifetime does not prove he was not a socialist, nor does the fact that he did not enact 100% of the socialist agenda. Did he nationalize all industry? No, he nationalized the people, and bent industry to his will. A visit from the SS was all it took to get any banker or factory owner to cooperate. I never said he was a Marxist or a Communist.

The fact that you deny a connection between modern liberals and socialism is ludicrous in my opinion. I’m sure you can cite many examples where socialists of yore differ from Democrats of today, but I can cite as many if not more examples of today’s liberals pushing for excessive government regulation and controls, central planning, nationalization of industries, expansion of the welfare state and all the other hallmarks of the ideology. Not to mention the inordinately high number of Democratic voters spotted wearing Che t-shirts! Or do you also deny that Che was a socialist?

I have little doubt my post or comments will cause you to have an epiphany and change your beliefs, and having read Dr. Ray’s work I see little chance you can accumulate enough selected Hitler quotations to change mine. Perhaps its best we agree to disagree.

Mike

I wonder... do you think that Obama had the SS visit Rick Wagoner over the weekend? It sure sounds like it....

Woody

Well there IS a precedent for socialist leaders trying to run an automobile company. Hitler had many suggestions for the Volkswagen Beetle as I recall...

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